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- From: dhaire@gate.net (doug haire)
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: Supra will offer upgrade to 33.6!
- Date: 27 Feb 1996 21:01:47 -0500
- Organization: CyberGate, Inc.
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- Dan Moore (dan@supra.com) wrote:
- : In article <4gt5jg$tte@hopi.gate.net> dhaire@gate.net (doug haire) writes:
- : >Dan Moore (dan@supra.com) wrote:
- : >: In V.34 a rate renegotiation is simply a change in the bits per
- : >:symbol without changing the symbol rate. This is a very quick change
- : >:since no probing, etc. is done. When a modem initiates a rate
- : >:renegotiation there is no requirement that the remote modem accept the
- : >:rate change, during the parameter exchange it can refuse to change the
- : >:rate. Typically modems always accept rate renegotiations downward and
- : >:may refuse rate renegotiations upwards if the current EQM is too high. If
- : >:a rate renegotiation fails (ie. the remote modem doesn't respond at all) a
- : >:retrain will occur instead.
- : >Not if both modems are defaulted to *not* initiating a retrain.
- :
- : Why do you say that? I'm describing the behaviour that is required
- : by the ITU-T recommendation V.34 in sections 11.5 (Retrains), 11.6 (Rate
- : Renegotiation) and 11.6.2 (Recovery Mechanism). This is the behaviour
- : implemented by the firmware in Supra's V.34 products. All of the V.34
- : products I have examined implement this exact same behaviour.
- :
- : >: The protocols that support rate renegotiation (V.32bis, VFC and
- : >:V.34) all require a modem to follow a remote rate renegotiation request.
- : >:So no matter how the local modem is configured to do rate changes if the
- : >:remote modem initiates a rate renegotiation the local modem must respond
- : >:to it. If the remote modem uses a retrain to change data rates the local
- : >:modem must respond to that also.
- : >Yes, but if *both* modems are Supras, no retrain will be initiated so
- : >neither one will have to respond since the request will never be given.
- : >Instead, a few rate changes will be tried (allegedly) and carrier will be
- : >lost.
- :
- : This is *NOT* true. If a rate renegotiation fails (ie. the remote
- : modem does not respond with signal E within the timeout period) a retrain will
- : be initiated. This is documented in section 11.6.2 (Recovery Mechanism).
- : The timeout period depends on the setting of bit 24 of the INFO0 sequence
- : received from the remote modem, if it is a 1 the timeout is 30 seconds, if it
- : is a 0 the timeout is 2500ms plus 2 times the round trip delay.
- :
- : The behaviour of the modem when a failed rate renegotiation occurs
- : is not controlled by any S register or command. It is specified in
- : recommendation V.34 and is not subject to user control.
- :
-
- Let me get this straight. The %E0 command is meaningless? Why is it even
- mentioned or enabled then? Why has it changed in the last few code revisions?
- Why hasn't it been deleted since retrain initiation is not really
- controlled by this at all?
-
- None of the answers make sense. You have a command %Ex which is alleged
- by the manual to control line monitoring and retrain initiation and this
- command has been modified in the course of code revisions. But you now
- say that the command means nothing when you use the default since V.34
- specs demand that lines be monitored and retrains initiated.
-
- So, we are back to the original question:
-
- Why is %E0 a default?
-
-